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Description of Bible in Roeder Auction Used to Justify Violence Against Providers

Jodi Jacobson

The description of a "prolife" bible offered for auction on eBay by a group seeking to fund a "justifiable homicide" defense for Scott Roeder uses the bible as a rationale for justifying killing providers.

Update: As of 6pm EST on November 2, 2009, eBay has taken
down the rest of the items up for bid for violating their “offensive
materials” policy. Thanks to eBay and to all of our readers and followers who signed our petition asking eBay to take down the auction items.

The description of a “prolife” bible offered for auction on eBay by a group seeking to fund a “justifiable homicide” defense for Scott Roeder uses the bible as a rationale for justifying killing providers.

Don’t believe me.
Believe God. This is the King James Version Bible owned by S.h.e.l.l.y
S.h.a.n.n.o.n until she sent it to me about 10 years ago when she was
transferred from state to federal prison. I have highlighted many
verses in it which prolifers cite to show that conception is “when life
begins”, at least in God’s opinion. Bookmarks help you easily find each
one. With the Bible is an article listing the verses and explaining, in
some cases, how the verses apply to the issue, or the meanings of the
words in the original language.

For example, did
you know even Roe v. Wade cites a verse from Exodus? Would you like to
know how the Court justified genocide out of that verse?

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The list of verses here, and
comments about them, have been contributed by several prolife
activists. In fact, as this auction runs, I will invite prolife friends
to contribute additional verses, with explanations of their relevance.
I also invite YOU to submit verses and discussion. Send to
Pilgrim@Saltshaker.US. The high bidder will receive the Bible and an
article compiling all these results.

“VIO-LENCE” IN THE BIBLE. The Bible
provides a rational context for judging if and when “vio-lence” is good
or evil. Police are deliberately equipped and authorized to be
vio-lent. Is it an offense against reason and morality to glor-ify
police? Kansas courts sometimes order the kil-ling of kil-lers. Shall
we censor those who respect Kansas courts?

The Bible agrees with police and Kansas courts that
sometimes the vio-lent need to be vio-lently stopped. Police and courts
agree with Ecclesiastes 3 that there is “a time to k.i.l.l, and a time
to heal; …a time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a
time of peace.”
 
So how can comments after news articles be
full of condemnation of the Bible because it glor-ifies vio-lence, yet
full of respect for police who exist for violence, and for courts which justify
their violence? These bloggers express so much rage against any appeal
to the moral authority of the vio-lence-tainted Bible that you know
many of them would vio-lently censor any mention of God were they under
one of the many governments around the world sympathetic with that
goal.
 
This at first appears contradictory, but upon examination it proves merely hypocritical.
 
There is real disagreement between God and America’s police and courts. It is not over whether vio-lence is sometimes just-ified, but it is over when it is just-ified.
 
God takes the position that ALL who kill the
innocent need to be killed. Gen 9.6. God’s position is that those who
kill killers, through as legal a process as their government permits,
are not criminals, nor are they “avenging themselves”, but they are
fulfilling God’s vengeance. Romans 12:19, Isaiah 63:4.
By contrast, human governments have,
throughout history, given kil-lers open season on selected groups of
human beings, calling their slaughter “legal”, refusing to recognize it
as a “harm”, and prosecuting those who try to save them.
 
This is where the positions of God and of human governments part ways. This is what God promises to judge with the same degree of vio-lence which the vio-lent have committed.
 
Therefore when people want to censor only that
“vio-lence glor-ifying” speech which God justifies, it should be
obvious that their real target is that speech which glor-ifies God.
 
Not that God cares about glory, for His
benefit. Who are we, that He should care what we think of Him? Job
35:5-8. But God loves us, and hates what we do to ourselves by
justifying genocide. He invites us into Heaven. But if we are this
comfortable with genocide all around us, how are we going to be
comfortable in Heaven where the very thought of the slightest
unkindness would be an abomination?
VIO-LENCE AND LOVE. If God
loves all, why is it hard to grasp why Bible verses like Pro 24:10-12
would call us to rescue those being unjustly slaughtered? How can the
innocent live, unless those who murder them are stopped? Should we have
no police? No courts? No laws?
 
Laws mean to protect good and restrain evil. It would be
absurd for any law to expressly intend great harm. Mark 3:4. In
situations where enforcement of the letter of a law would cause harm,
the spirit of the law would be violated by enforcement, which is
rightly suspended by the Ne-cess-ity De-fense.
This is S.c.o.t.t R.o.e.d.e.r’s defense. It would be absurd
to interpret Roe v. Wade as expressly intending genocide. Yet Roe said
“the judiciary…is not in a position to speculate” on whether the
millions of unborn slain at its direction are human beings. Roe said if
triers of fact determine that they are, Roe should “collapse”.
 
Lower courts violate Roe by deciding the fact question which
Roe said no judge is qualified to decide: the judges say they can’t
recognize abortion as harming human beings because it is “legal”.
Besides that, judges decide this fact question by themselves, before
the trial begins, and order defendants not to say a word about their
defense, and the only contested trial issue, to the jury, even though
they tell juries they are judges of the facts. Attorneys are used to
this system, but most Americans would not call this a “trial by jury”.
They would call it a “trial by a judge”.
 
Nothing can be more illegal than what courts have done all these years to keep abortion “legal”.
 
WHAT WE SUPPORT. Our goal is an end to
vio-lence against abortionists, and against babies, through restoring
the Constitutional Right to Trial by Jury, even in abortion prevention
cases. Proceeds from this auction will be devoted to that end.
 
I can’t imagine anything more American than fund raising for
an attorney to give a man his right to a trial by an informed jury.
American mailboxes are clogged with fund raising letters to pay
attorneys. The ACLU sends out a fund raising letter so they can afford
to sue somebody for putting up a Christmas tree. The ACLJ sends out a
fund raising letter so they can afford to oppose the ACLU. That’s the
American system.
 
I can’t imagine anything more unAmerican than any move by
anyone to censor such an effort.  I would be less surprised by a move
like that in Communist China.

 

eBay Auction Items Includes Pamphlet Autographed by Army Of God Members

Jodi Jacobson

Among the items for sale on eBay now to raise money for the "justifiable homicide" defense of Scott Roeder, the man accused of killing Dr. George Tiller in his church is a pamphlet signed by at least two members of the "Army of God" group that openly espouses violence against clinic workers and physicians and which, on its website, openly celebrated the assassination of Dr. Tiller this past May

Update: As of 6pm EST on November 2, 2009, eBay has taken down the rest of the items up for bid for violating their "offensive materials" policy. 

Among the items for sale on eBay now to raise money for the "justifiable homicide" defense of Scott Roeder, the man accused of killing Dr. George Tiller in his church is a pamphlet signed by at least two members of the "Army of God" group that openly

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espouses violence against clinic workers and physicians and which, on its website, openly celebrated the assassination of Dr. Tiller this past May.  Other "autographs" on this item include that of a defendant accused of violating the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances (FACE) Act.

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The description of the "catechism" up for auction includes several clearly intentional mis-spelling (such as "A.r.m.y, see below) in what seems a "sleight of hand," presumably meant to foil efforts by eBay and others to tie this item back to groups who perpetuate and advocate violence against medical doctors.

The description reads as follows:

This Catechism was written
by Mike B.r.a.y after a court judgment against him by Planned
Barrenhood (PP v. ACLA, 1995), for publishing a book, entitled PB to
his “writings, published and unpublished.” However, PB has done little
with its seized books, being unwilling to sell them, or to credit
B.r.a.y’s judgment for their value. In fact, on October 14, Bray filed
a lawsuit against PB for seizing more than Ohio law allowed, and then
for not returning them when ordered by the court. The copy for auction,
donated by him, is one of 500 printed in the city of his residence,
Wilmington, Ohio. It summarizes the doctrines taught to children of
Reformation Lutheran Church for 19 years. It used to instruct his
remaining at-home children. The copy for sale is signed by its author,
A.r.m.y of God activist Don S.p.i.t.z, A.r.m.y of God man-ual (reprint)
publisher, Dave L.e.a.c.h, and the original F A C E defendant Re-gin-a
Din-wid-die. It deals with traditional church doctrines. It briefly
mentions abortion, looking to the day when it will once again be
illegal. 

Yet despite these connections, David Leach told the Kansas City Star,
which first reported the auction:

"I really am hopeful that eBay can
see that once this is up, that it is not a glorification of violence."

It is not clear what eBay intends to do about this.  In an initial statement an eBay official said the company would not allow the auction.

An eBay official told the Star
that the listings would violate its policy against "listings that
benefit someone charged with or convicted of a crime," but the auction
has gone ahead anyways. The seller of the items is listed as mission.of.life, who joined the service October 30.

And yet both the items and the sources clearly both advocate violence, no matter the use of tricks and veiled language, and also "seek to benefit someone charged with a crime."

eBay?

 

Roundup: eBay Auction to Support Roeder Proceeds

Jodi Jacobson

eBay auction to support Roeder's defense on grounds of "justifiable homicide" proceeds despite earlier promise to nix it.

Judy Thomas of the Kansas City Star reports that the eBay auction to raise money for Scott Roeder launched Sunday night despite eBay’s pledge to
nix it.  Roeder is charged with the murder of Dr. George Tiller in the vestibule of his church on May 31st, 2009.

Roeder’s supporters want him to hire an attorney other than his public
defenders in order to use a “necessity defense,” saying that Tiller’s
killing was an act of justifiable homicide.
  (emphasis added).

"Organizers posted items that were less contentious
than those they’d originally planned to sell, and they used spellings
that make searches difficult," reports Thomas.

“I really am hopeful that eBay can
see that once this is up, that it is not a glorification of violence,”
said auction organizer Dave Leach, an abortion opponent from Iowa. “If
the auction stays up, it will only be because eBay has been shamed into
recognizing the nonviolent nature of the items.”

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EBay officials
were not available Sunday for comment to the Star, but last week had said the
proposed listings violated the company’s policy regarding offensive
material.

“We do not oppose all listings that raise money for
legal defense funds,” said Jack Christin Jr., eBay’s associate general
counsel for government relations, in a Friday statement. “However, our
policy does not permit listings that benefit someone charged with or
convicted of a crime.”

Not to mention that suggesting that justifying the murder a doctor for performing a legal medical procedure for any reason will only serve to incite more violence. 

The Star reports that items organizers
said were being donated last week included several drawings
submitted by Roeder; an Army of God manual that describes dozens of
ways to shut down abortion clinics; and a prison cookbook compiled by
Shelley Shannon, who shot Tiller in 1993 and is serving time for clinic
arsons and bombings.

On Sunday, however, the only items listed
were a document of religious instruction written by a convicted clinic
bomber and a Bible that belonged to Shannon.

“It has all the pro-life passages highlighted,” Leach said of the Bible.

November 2, 2009

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