Rewire Interviews Songwriter Gretchen Peters

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Country music star Gretchen Peters talks to Rewire about the power of real people's stories, empowering young people in this election, and donating royalties from her hit "Independence Day" to Planned Parenthood.

Rewire interviewed singer/songwriter
Gretchen Peters

about her decision to donate
her song "Independence Day," made popular by Martina McBride, to
Planned Parenthood in Sarah Palin’s name. Like many other American
icons, country music has been, to an extent, co-opted by conservatives and
misunderstood by liberals, who may dismiss the genre, not recognizing its
close kinship to folk music.  It is the amazing stories of country
music that resonate with people, stories of real life — the pain and
sorrow, the joy and triumph, that connect us one to the other. 
During an election when so many Americans are making extra effort to
understand differences of opinion and culture, to look at race and gender
in new ways, to get past the issues that divide us, we talked with Gretchen Peters by phone this morning as the nation’s focus turns to Nashville tonight for the next presidential debate. We’re pleased to present this interview about an iconic American song, a powerful
story-telling genre, with the woman who has touched millions with her lyrics, Gretchen Peters. 

What is the story behind the song
"Independence Day?"

Gretchen Peters: It’s
a story about a woman who is being abused, told from the point of view
of her eight-year-old daughter, and she can’t see any other way out
than burning the house down with her husband inside it.  It’s
up to the listener to determine if the mother is in the house or not
when it burns. It’s about violence against women told through this
one particular woman’s story. 

Country music tells real people’s stories, with lyrics that
touch us and memorable tunes; it connects in ways that other music
often doesn’t. It is seen as the music of the famous
"Joe and Jane Six-pack." Can you talk about country music’s unique
ability to capture these stories?

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Country music has a really long history of telling everyman’s story,
and like its close cousin folk music, at least up until the last ten to twenty
years, there were several points of view in country music.  What
ties country and folk music together is the narrative element – more
so than in any other genre that is commercially successful. Loretta
Lynn, Merle Haggard and many others told stories and sang songs that
could be considered controversial. Songs like "The Pill" and "One’s
On The Way." These are the songs that made millions of people love Loretta,
made people feel a certain connection to her music and the music of
others like her, because they sang stories about real life. 

Do you think country music has a political party?

Not inherently, no. It’s sort of a chicken and egg question – people
who don’t know much about country music have ascribed it to conservative
causes and people because of geography, or because they don’t take
the time to understand the long history of story-telling, or because
they think it sounds dumb and the people who like it talk funny,
or are ignorant.  Some people have an impression that we’re all
of the same mindset. That mostly comes from people who are ignorant
about country music.  There is no doubt that the political landscape
in the South and Midwest has changed and the machine that makes country
music — Music Row in Nashville — they know their audience and they know
a bread and butter line when they see one. Music Row has pandered a
lot to those people who want to claim country music for one cause or party.
The truth is that there are plenty of songwriters that are not interested
in being involved in politics. Most creative people would rather write
their stories and let the people find them, and it rankles that these
assumptions are being made about us or our politics. That’s why more
of us are speaking out.  

Do you find it ironic that it is conservatives
– famous for economic policies that don’t really favor Mr. and Mrs.
Six-pack – that most use country music to connect with voters?

One of the biggest mysteries to me about the political climate of the
past eight years — and there are many — but I don’t understand
how blue collar, working class people who have families and don’t
have much else, can feel that these policies support them. I understand
that conservatives have taken advantage of the religious angle, pushes that on
people, but I’m hopeful that more people see through it now.  Ralph
Stanley, the father of Blue Grass, just endorsed Obama, and he’s speaking
out to coal miners, and folks living hardworking lives. That speaks
volumes about the need for change, so I do feel hopeful. 

Why have you decided to donate royalties for
"Independence Day" to Planned Parenthood in the name of Sarah Palin?

I’ve received a lot of email and it’s been overwhelmingly positive.
But it wasn’t my idea, I can’t take credit for it. Tamara Saviano,
my publicist, was on that email some women started suggesting making
small contributions to Planned Parenthood in Palin’s name and copying the
McCain campaign to let them know it’s the issues, not just the gender,
that matters. They have the legal right to play the song at rallies, but this is
a worthy idea and cause and a way to make a statement. I’d been feeling
like I was losing my song. 

Many people who love this song are pro-life and that is why they
like Sarah Palin.  What would you say to them about the real women’s
stories you sing about, real women’s lives and choices about reproductive
health that might give them more insight into why you write and sing
these powerful stories?

This song is a story about one woman. It’s not a diatribe against
or for anything. The most powerful way to say anything is to tell one
story about one specific person. We’re not all going to adhere to
the same political point of view.  I received an incredible letter
from a guy who is pro-life, and it was a letter of support for my decision
because he is able to hold two opposing thoughts in his head at the
same time, and he got it, he got what I was doing and was supportive,
and that’s the power of a story that connects with people.  My
aim and intent is to tell the story in a way so that listeners feel compassion
for her and her daughter. I’m not prescribing any action, not suggesting
women go burn their houses down. It’s a story that unfortunately happens
too much though.  What put me over the edge — I mean, I knew the song
has been played for political reasons for a long time — but I felt like I
was losing my song. I’ve heard from people who only heard it on Sean
Hannity and thought it was a "rah-rah" political statement. They
don’t even know what the song is about. That’s what started it for me, so I made some effort
to get my song back.  

Issues of abuse against women, and especially rape are mostly about
power and domination over women. Do you think
"Independence Day" is so popular because it is a story too many women
can relate to?

One of the very few negative messages that I received was that I was
co-opting my own song and that Planned Parenthood has nothing to do
with the issues of abuse addressed in the song. I couldn’t disagree
more. All these issues are related, issues of power and sex and rape.
The abuse of power within the family unit is a huge issue.  I used
to go to Planned Parenthood when I was a teenager; I know what they
do and I know that these issues are related so it is an absolutely appropriate
donation.  I can also tell you that the song has had an effect
on people that have not had any experience with domestic violence. But
for the women, and men, family members, the police officers and others
who work on domestic abuse cases, they are all so moved by it because
it is all too real. Women come up to me and say the song helped them
"realize they could do something" about their own situation. 
Sometimes I feel bad even taking credit for writing it when I hear from
these people, the song came from nowhere, it came through me. 
It’s amazing when you write something that actually changes people’s
lives. It shows how small actions can have big impacts. 

"Independence Day" is about strength through adversity, a story many
women can relate to.  America is facing a time of great adversity
again, what are the strengths that you see as you look around now that
give you reason to hope we’ll make it through this tough time?

Across the board I find my hope in people under 30, my daughter is 24
and the man I’m seeing, his son is 21.  They won’t have the
world that we had, they are going to have it tougher, but they are so
clear eyed.  The generations that followed the Baby-Boomers are
much more clear eyed, they are not as polarized as Boomers and older
generations. That is the only way to go forward.  As much good
as the Boomers tried to do there was always one foot planted in the
past and one foot planted in the future — that was certainly the sense
in the 1960’s.  The real point of hope in this election — even
though it is getting uglier by the minute — is to empower these young
people and let them lead the way. They just aren’t interested in the
same old fights that have divided us for too long. 

Here is Gretchen Peters performing Sunday Morning (Up and Down My Street):

And Martina McBride performing Independence Day:

News Law and Policy

Texas District Attorney Drops Felony Charges Against David Daleiden and Sandra Merritt

Jessica Mason Pieklo

The grand jury returned indictments against Daleiden and Merritt on felony charges of tampering with an official government document for purportedly using a fraudulent driver's license to gain access to a Planned Parenthood center in Houston.

UPDATE, July 26, 2:47 p.m.: This piece has been updated to include a statement from Planned Parenthood.

On Tuesday, the Harris County District Attorney’s office in Texas dismissed the remaining criminal charges against anti-choice activists David Daleiden and Sandra Merritt related to their production of widely discredited, heavily edited videos alleging Planned Parenthood was illegally profiting from fetal tissue donations.

The criminal charges against the pair originally stemmed from Republican Texas lawmakers’ responses to the videos’ release. Attorney General Ken Paxton, Gov. Greg Abbott, and Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick all called for the Harris County District attorney’s Office to begin a criminal investigation into Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast last August, after the release of one video that featured clinic staff in Houston talking about the methods and costs of preserving fetal tissue for life-saving scientific research.

A Texas grand jury found no evidence of wrongdoing by Planned Parenthood staff and declined to bring any criminal charges against the health-care provider. More than a dozen state and federal investigations have similarly turned up no evidence of lawbreaking by the reproductive health-care provider.

Instead, in January, the grand jury returned indictments against Daleiden and Merritt on felony charges of tampering with an official government document for purportedly using a fraudulent driver’s license to gain access to a Planned Parenthood center in Houston. Daleiden was also indicted on a misdemeanor charge related to trying to entice a third party to unlawfully purchase human organs.

A Texas judge in June dismissed the misdemeanor charge against Daleiden on procedural grounds.

“This meritless and retaliatory prosecution should never have been brought,” said Daleiden’s attorney, Peter Breen of the Thomas More Society, in a statement following the announcement that the district attorneys office was dismissing the indictment. “Planned Parenthood did wrong here, not David Daleiden.”

“Planned Parenthood provides high-quality, compassionate health care and has been cleared of any wrongdoing time and again. [Daleiden] and other anti-abortion extremists, on the other hand, spent three years creating a fake company, creating fake identities, and lying. When they couldn’t find any improper or illegal activity, they made it up. They spread malicious lies about Planned Parenthood in order to advance their anti-abortion agenda. The decision to drop the prosecution on a technicality does not negate the fact that the only people who engaged in wrongdoing are the extremists behind this fraud,” Melaney A. Linton, President and CEO of Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast, said in a statement emailed to In a statement emailed to Rewire after publication.

The district attorney’s dismissal of the felony charges against Daleiden and Merritt happened just before a scheduled court hearing requested by their attorneys to argue the felony indictment should be dismissed.

Daleiden still faces three civil lawsuits elsewhere in the country related to the creation and release of the Planned Parenthood videos.

Culture & Conversation Maternity and Birthing

On ‘Commonsense Childbirth’: A Q&A With Midwife Jennie Joseph

Elizabeth Dawes Gay

Joseph founded a nonprofit, Commonsense Childbirth, in 1998 to inspire change in maternity care to better serve people of color. As a licensed midwife, Joseph seeks to transform how care is provided in a clinical setting.

This piece is published in collaboration with Echoing Ida, a Forward Together project.

Jennie Joseph’s philosophy is simple: Treat patients like the people they are. The British native has found this goes a long way when it comes to her midwifery practice and the health of Black mothers and babies.

In the United States, Black women are disproportionately affected by poor maternal and infant health outcomes. Black women are more likely to experience maternal and infant death, pregnancy-related illness, premature birth, low birth weight, and stillbirth. Beyond the data, personal accounts of Black women’s birthing experiences detail discrimination, mistreatment, and violation of basic human rights. Media like the new film, The American Dream, share the maternity experiences of Black women in their own voices.

A new generation of activists, advocates, and concerned medical professionals have mobilized across the country to improve Black maternal and infant health, including through the birth justice and reproductive justice movements.

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Joseph founded a nonprofit, Commonsense Childbirth, in 1998 to inspire change in maternity care to better serve people of color. As a licensed midwife, Joseph seeks to transform how care is provided in a clinical setting.

At her clinics, which are located in central Florida, a welcoming smile and a conversation mark the start of each patient visit. Having a dialogue with patients about their unique needs, desires, and circumstances is a practice Joseph said has contributed to her patients having “chunky,” healthy, full-term babies. Dialogue and care that centers the patient costs nothing, Joseph told Rewire in an interview earlier this summer.

Joseph also offers training to midwives, doulas, community health workers, and other professionals in culturally competent, patient-centered care through her Commonsense Childbirth School of Midwifery, which launched in 2009. And in 2015, Joseph launched the National Perinatal Task Force, a network of perinatal health-care and service providers who are committed to working in underserved communities in order to transform maternal health outcomes in the United States.

Rewire spoke with Joseph about her tireless work to improve maternal and perinatal health in the Black community.

Rewire: What motivates and drives you each day?

Jennie Joseph: I moved to the United States in 1989 [from the United Kingdom], and each year it becomes more and more apparent that to address the issues I care deeply about, I have to put action behind all the talk.

I’m particularly concerned about maternal and infant morbidity and mortality that plague communities of color and specifically African Americans. Most people don’t know that three to four times as many Black women die during pregnancy and childbirth in the United States than their white counterparts.

When I arrived in the United States, I had to start a home birth practice to be able to practice at all, and it was during that time that I realized very few people of color were accessing care that way. I learned about the disparities in maternal health around the same time, and I felt compelled to do something about it.

My motivation is based on the fact that what we do [at my clinic] works so well it’s almost unconscionable not to continue doing it. I feel driven and personally responsible because I’ve figured out that there are some very simple things that anyone can do to make an impact. It’s such a win-win. Everybody wins: patients, staff, communities, health-care agencies.

There are only a few of us attacking this aggressively, with few resources and without support. I’ve experienced so much frustration, anger, and resignation about the situation because I feel like this is not something that people in the field don’t know about. I know there have been some efforts, but with little results. There are simple and cost-effective things that can be done. Even small interventions can make such a tremendous a difference, and I don’t understand why we can’t have more support and more interest in moving the needle in a more effective way.

I give up sometimes. I get so frustrated. Emotions vie for time and energy, but those very same emotions force me to keep going. I feel a constant drive to be in action and to be practical in achieving and getting results.

Rewire: In your opinion, what are some barriers to progress on maternal health and how can they be overcome?

JJ: The solutions that have been generated are the same, year in and year out, but are not really solutions. [Health-care professionals and the industry] keep pushing money into a broken system, without recognizing where there are gaps and barriers, and we keep doing the same thing.

One solution that has not worked is the approach of hiring practitioners without a thought to whether the practitioner is really a match for the community that they are looking to serve. Additionally, there is the fact that the practitioner alone is not going to be able make much difference. There has to be a concerted effort to have the entire health-care team be willing to support the work. If the front desk and access points are not in tune with why we need to address this issue in a specific way, what happens typically is that people do not necessarily feel welcomed or supported or respected.

The world’s best practitioner could be sitting down the hall, but never actually see the patient because the patient leaves before they get assistance or before they even get to make an appointment. People get tired of being looked down upon, shamed, ignored, or perhaps not treated well. And people know which hospitals and practitioners provide competent care and which practices are culturally safe.

I would like to convince people to try something different, for real. One of those things is an open-door triage at all OB-GYN facilities, similar to an emergency room, so that all patients seeking maternity care are seen for a first visit no matter what.

Another thing would be for practitioners to provide patient-centered care for all patients regardless of their ability to pay.  You don’t have to have cultural competency training, you just have to listen and believe what the patients are telling you—period.

Practitioners also have a role in dismantling the institutionalized racism that is causing such harm. You don’t have to speak a specific language to be kind. You just have to think a little bit and put yourself in that person’s shoes. You have to understand she might be in fear for her baby’s health or her own health. You can smile. You can touch respectfully. You can make eye contact. You can find a real translator. You can do things if you choose to. Or you can stay in place in a system you know is broken, doing business as usual, and continue to feel bad doing the work you once loved.

Rewire: You emphasize patient-centered care. Why aren’t other providers doing the same, and how can they be convinced to provide this type of care?

JJ: I think that is the crux of the matter: the convincing part. One, it’s a shame that I have to go around convincing anyone about the benefits of patient-centered care. And two, the typical response from medical staff is “Yeah, but the cost. It’s expensive. The bureaucracy, the system …” There is no disagreement that this should be the gold standard of care but providers say their setup doesn’t allow for it or that it really wouldn’t work. Keep in mind that patient-centered care also means equitable care—the kind of care we all want for ourselves and our families.

One of the things we do at my practice (and that providers have the most resistance to) is that we see everyone for that initial visit. We’ve created a triage entry point to medical care but also to social support, financial triage, actual emotional support, and recognition and understanding for the patient that yes, you have a problem, but we are here to work with you to solve it.

All of those things get to happen because we offer the first visit, regardless of their ability to pay. In the absence of that opportunity, the barrier to quality care itself is so detrimental: It’s literally a matter of life and death.

Rewire: How do you cover the cost of the first visit if someone cannot pay?

JJ: If we have a grant, we use those funds to help us pay our overhead. If we don’t, we wait until we have the women on Medicaid and try to do back-billing on those visits. If the patient doesn’t have Medicaid, we use the funds we earn from delivering babies of mothers who do have insurance and can pay the full price.

Rewire: You’ve talked about ensuring that expecting mothers have accessible, patient-centered maternity care. How exactly are you working to achieve that?

JJ: I want to empower community-based perinatal health workers (such as nurse practitioners) who are interested in providing care to communities in need, and encourage them to become entrepreneurial. As long as people have the credentials or license to provide prenatal, post-partum, and women’s health care and are interested in independent practice, then my vision is that they build a private practice for themselves. Based on the concept that to get real change in maternal health outcomes in the United States, women need access to specific kinds of health care—not just any old health care, but the kind that is humane, patient-centered, woman-centered, family-centered, and culturally-safe, and where providers believe that the patients matter. That kind of care will transform outcomes instantly.

I coined the phrase “Easy Access Clinics” to describe retail women’s health clinics like a CVS MinuteClinic that serve as a first entry point to care in a community, rather than in a big health-care system. At the Orlando Easy Access Clinic, women receive their first appointment regardless of their ability to pay. People find out about us via word of mouth; they know what we do before they get here.

We are at the point where even the local government agencies send patients to us. They know that even while someone’s Medicaid application is in pending status, we will still see them and start their care, as well as help them access their Medicaid benefits as part of our commitment to their overall well-being.

Others are already replicating this model across the country and we are doing research as we go along. We have created a system that becomes sustainable because of the trust and loyalty of the patients and their willingness to support us in supporting them.

Photo Credit: Filmmaker Paolo Patruno

Joseph speaking with a family at her central Florida clinic. (Credit: Filmmaker Paolo Patruno)

RewireWhat are your thoughts on the decision in Florida not to expand Medicaid at this time?

JJ: I consider health care a human right. That’s what I know. That’s how I was trained. That’s what I lived all the years I was in Europe. And to be here and see this wanton disregard for health and humanity breaks my heart.

Not expanding Medicaid has such deep repercussions on patients and providers. We hold on by a very thin thread. We can’t get our claims paid. We have all kinds of hoops and confusion. There is a lack of interest and accountability from insurance payers, and we are struggling so badly. I also have a petition right now to ask for Medicaid coverage for pregnant women.

Health care is a human right: It can’t be anything else.

Rewire: You launched the National Perinatal Task Force in 2015. What do you hope to accomplish through that effort?

JJ: The main goal of the National Perinatal Task Force is to connect perinatal service providers, lift each other up, and establish community recognition of sites committed to a certain standard of care.

The facilities of task force members are identified as Perinatal Safe Spots. A Perinatal Safe Spot could be an educational or social site, a moms’ group, a breastfeeding circle, a local doula practice, or a community center. It could be anywhere, but it has got to be in a community with what I call a “materno-toxic” area—an area where you know without any doubt that mothers are in jeopardy. It is an area where social determinants of health are affecting mom’s and baby’s chances of being strong and whole and hearty. Therein, we need to put a safe spot right in the heart of that materno-toxic area so she has a better chance for survival.

The task force is a group of maternity service providers and concerned community members willing to be a safe spot for that area. Members also recognize each other across the nation; we support each other and learn from each others’ best practices.

People who are working in their communities to improve maternal and infant health come forward all the time as they are feeling alone, quietly doing the best they can for their community, with little or nothing. Don’t be discouraged. You can get a lot done with pure willpower and determination.

RewireDo you have funding to run the National Perinatal Task Force?

JJ: Not yet. We have got the task force up and running as best we can under my nonprofit Commonsense Childbirth. I have not asked for funding or donations because I wanted to see if I could get the task force off the ground first.

There are 30 Perinatal Safe Spots across the United States that are listed on the website currently. The current goal is to house and support the supporters, recognize those people working on the ground, and share information with the public. The next step will be to strengthen the task force and bring funding for stability and growth.

RewireYou’re featured in the new film The American Dream. How did that happen and what are you planning to do next?

JJ: The Italian filmmaker Paolo Patruno got on a plane on his own dime and brought his cameras to Florida. We were planning to talk about Black midwifery. Once we started filming, women were sharing so authentically that we said this is about women’s voices being heard. I would love to tease that dialogue forward and I am planning to go to four or five cities where I can show the film and host a town hall, gathering to capture what the community has to say about maternal health. I want to hear their voices. So far, the film has been screened publicly in Oakland and Kansas City, and the full documentary is already available on YouTube.

RewireThe Black Mamas Matter Toolkit was published this past June by the Center for Reproductive Rights to support human-rights based policy advocacy on maternal health. What about the toolkit or other resources do you find helpful for thinking about solutions to poor maternal health in the Black community?

JJ: The toolkit is the most succinct and comprehensive thing I’ve seen since I’ve been doing this work. It felt like, “At last!”

One of the most exciting things for me is that the toolkit seems to have covered every angle of this problem. It tells the truth about what’s happening for Black women and actually all women everywhere as far as maternity care is concerned.

There is a need for us to recognize how the system has taken agency and power away from women and placed it in the hands of large health systems where institutionalized racism is causing much harm. The toolkit, for the first time in my opinion, really addresses all of these ills and posits some very clear thoughts and solutions around them. I think it is going to go a long way to begin the change we need to see in maternal and child health in the United States.

RewireWhat do you count as one of your success stories?

JJ: One of my earlier patients was a single mom who had a lot going on and became pregnant by accident. She was very connected to us when she came to clinic. She became so empowered and wanted a home birth. But she was anemic at the end of her pregnancy and we recommended a hospital birth. She was empowered through the birth, breastfed her baby, and started a journey toward nursing. She is now about to get her master’s degree in nursing, and she wants to come back to work with me. She’s determined to come back and serve and give back. She’s not the only one. It happens over and over again.

This interview has been edited for length and clarity.